【栖心茶话】【4K超高清版】EP05 繁花：“人生非常尴尬” | 圆桌派 第七季 | 窦文涛/金宇澄/许子东/马家辉 | 优酷纪实人文 YOUKU DOCUMENTARY

【栖心茶话】【4K超高清版】EP05 繁花：“人生非常尴尬” | 圆桌派 第七季 | 窦文涛/金宇澄/许子东/马家辉 | 优酷纪实人文 YOUKU DOCUMENTARY

This program is sponsored by GAC Honda Guandao, which offers a luxurious and comfortable ride. This program is co-sponsored by Yibao Zhiben Qingrun™ Chrysanthemum Tea. It is just like the old one. This town has been renovated several times . There were in the 1950s and 1960s. In the 1960s , especially in the 1970s and 1980s, it wanted to develop its economy, so these shops were not opened like this before. Can you recognize which ones are the old (shops) when it was small? Basically, they have been replaced. Now the basic shops are all for tourism services . In the past, this was the center of the town. This center is a key protected area for heart disease . Now people with heart disease need to support their heart disease. Don’t you feel uncomfortable? You go first. He fell over it. It was a bridge from the Ming Dynasty, but this kind of bridge is often repaired. Teacher Xu, be careful. It ’s okay. Go to Deng Bridge . It ’s the one who became a Jinshi. So this Jiangnan town has a characteristic . Because it rains frequently , it covers this corridor shed. Like Guangdong, there are also those arcades for this reason , which is to block the rain . It ’s great. This feeling. This Jiangnan rain is called Shihe. There are no boats on this river now . When I first arrived in Lili Town in 1973 or 1972, the river was full of boats , and because of this This place is densely covered with water networks. All boats have the black-sailed boats from Shaoxing , and they all row here. Facing the south of the Yangtze River, the water is all connected. It is completely different from the scenery in the old times . So if you throw toilet paper in Shanghai, it will slowly flow here, right? It is not Shanghai . If you throw toilet paper here , it will flow to Shanghai Huangpu River . On the contrary , there is a river called Taipu River , which leads from Taihu Lake to Huangpu River. It is called Zhongjinjia Lane, which is the lane where people with the surname Jin live. But it is in the middle, in the middle of Lili Town. You are the core, but that is not it. It indicates a direction. There is no house number when you go there to send letters. The number is Jinjia Lane, or there is another one called Tangming. Each house has a Tangming. What Tang is it? He sent the letter like this. The house number is Westernized. What are the Arabic numerals? This is what happened later. Your family is a wealthy family . Compared with the house in the south, this is not a big house. If I live here, it is Majia Lane . Right, I go to Majia Lane to find Ma Jiahui . So this is called Zhongmajia Lane, Mazhongjia Lane , Xixujia Lane, right? Dongdoujia Lane. Is this private property? What you are most concerned about is that it was all privatized and private property back then . Now it is all government property. The government’s house was different from the others because later on, Li’li Town was different from the others. It implemented the public-private partnership very early on. After the public-private partnership, it became the house of the Housing Management Office. And because it was the center of Li’li Town at that time , many people wanted to move in, and it became a slum. It was marked with an asset number. I saw the asset number. In fact, it is now a government national asset. Now 70% of Li’li Town is government housing. Then how did it become like this ? It became your study room. You are returning to your hometown, right? Then the study room became yours. What is that? The town said that we will vacate this house . Teacher Jin, we will renovate it. You can come and live in it when you are free. Originally, you said that it was ours. I said, why don’t I buy it? He said that it is not cheap to buy it. But he said, to be honest, why should you buy it? This brand is just a brand with limited use rights for people . This brand is enough. Why should you buy it ? Then I think about it and it is right, right? But the local government is very smart, right? They built a study room here, so many tourists came. That is also their contribution to their hometown, and their contribution to us now. So should we go to the gate or here? Your master, please go to the main gate. Wait a moment. I’ll put it. You enter your own house like a thief or a robber, right? Shouldn’t there be ten or eight servants? This main gate needs to be removed. Did n’t we just say to enter from the main gate? Why is this main gate not prepared? Very good, very good. This is Teacher Jin’s decoration taste . Every item was picked by Teacher Jin. Jiahui , you see, the four of us can sit like this. Pa pa pa pa. We can take pictures here. Really, come on, Teacher Jin , sit here. Teacher Xu , you see, this arrangement is quite interesting. Yes, this reminds me of the statue of Khrushchev. It ‘s one Half black and half white , right ? Yes, two-way . I’m sitting like this and I’m recording the back of my head. Let’s record “Round Table” like this. I really think it’s good to chat like this. How should I talk to you? Wentao, how is your side? This is what I saw this house in 2019. It was a dilapidated building with no one there. At that time, this tree was planted in the middle. It was a naturally grown tree. Then they cut down the tree without asking. This is also very tasteful, right? Have you lived here as a child? No, I just came here for the first time when I was twenty-one or twenty-two years old. Because this house became a housing management office in the 1950s, and then everyone in my hometown moved to Shanghai . When I came in 2019, there were all kinds of ruins inside . Xu Zhiyuan even came in wearing flip-flops. I told him not to wear flip-flops. It was a mess and you couldn’t even walk. This is a modern way to preserve ancient buildings. In fact, it is equivalent to using modern architecture to turn it into an exhibit, like a frame for you to appreciate the old wood carvings. The Jin family seemed to be a very wealthy family back then, but they weren’t very wealthy. You see, the pillars in my house are so thin. I originally thought your house was this How could it be possible that he was the richest man in his son’s family? Because now everyone knows the TV series, so I made this an exhibition with the theme of Hu Ge. This is the photo given to me by the director. This is Wong Kar-wai. These few photos were taken by the director for me . We went around Shanghai and he wanted to take photos here and there . So I am on a bridge over Suzhou River. This is the photo taken by the director for me. This is on Nanchang Road . Then we went to see a tree. This tree is said to be the largest plane tree in the Far East. It is a French plane tree. This is in Zhongshan Park. I also wrote a paragraph about this plane tree in my novel . I also drew it on the map . Then This is director Wong Kar-wai and I went to Li’li Town to see the location. Who is this beauty ? That beauty is the leader here. The leader is also beautiful, right? And this is the one that was later when the filming started. Didn’t I show my face in it? This is a director’s workbench. You see, he sits on it every day to watch the monitor. These two photos are very good. These two are hung on the neck. Do you know what it is? It ‘s an air cooler. It’s very hot on the hottest day. I also wear a Chinese cotton jacket. I wore it for the whole afternoon. This is good. I sweat a lot. This is what you drew . Yes, this is the director who wanted to make a prosperous flower base. The prosperous flower base looks like this. It puts all kinds of houses in Shanghai together, and there are trams inside. So he said, “Don’t draw it like this. Draw it with a little imagination. ” Then he drew it like this. In the end, it looks like a circuit board. It’s a bit interesting. He drew this. This is also a kind of painting language. You participate in the creation. You see , this is Xu Zhiyuan. The interview was done at that time . It’s not as luxurious as your filming team. This place has two cameras , one in front and one in the back . You can’t even walk on the ground , so they shoot. You see, it’s still Xu Zhiyuan. They know people from poverty. We usually wait until you are in good condition before coming here. It’s cool. Originally, the four of us were going to chat here. Right? Do you have an umbrella? I think it’s nice for us to stand here for a while. I like this wall . It feels like it hasn’t been touched at all. This is a painting, right ? Then look at it. It used to be a brick sculpture . Then they asked if we wanted to restore it. I said no. You can’t even hang an air conditioner on a Chinese-style brick wall like this. It’s so thin, right? It’s too thin. It can’t withstand any force. I see that Suzhou has walls like this. Yes , this kind of brick is hollow inside . It can keep warm. It can keep warm . Of course, if there is air, it can keep warm. So the people back then designed the life back then. If we put up an air conditioner now, the master will definitely not agree. It will fall down. Right? Listen to the sound. But it also saves materials. You see, we are used to arranging bricks like this to make them strong. Right , it is placed vertically. This is the characteristic of Jiangnan. The brick walls in the north are so thick. Yes , I have built a house in Heilongjiang before. Right, in the south , because the bricks in the backyard are only this thin, half as thin as this. Hey, Mr. Xu , I think the four of us can take a group photo. This wall has a good background. Jiahui poses. This is a traditional Chinese style. He was holding the flower , right? Mr. Xu (holding it) The Little Red Book, don’t hold this one, Mr. Jin , this one is a little silly. The Fanhua brand plastic umbrella is just like this. It’s a luxury to be able to hold an umbrella at home with a patio . Yes, it’s lawless to hold an umbrella at home. Really, I never dared to imagine it in Hong Kong . I dared not imagine it. At most, there were several families living here. I estimate that there were more than a dozen families living here, at least more than a dozen families. We went to Badaowan, the place where Lu Xun and Zhou Zuoren lived, and counted forty-nine small fire meters (electricity meters), so there were fifty families living there, at least. Did they move out when you came ? Did they all move out? After everyone was moved out , immediately there were bricks here. In the middle of the night, people always came to dig with metal detectors to dig old bricks. What if you hide something underneath? Gold? Because the metal detector is buried , you do n’t know at all. In the past, people hid a treasure . Tell me where there is a Xuande furnace. Once it is dug out, who will it belong to? It belongs to you. If it is not him who dug it out, he must have taken it away by himself , right? But according to the law, it should be handed over to the state, right ? So Xu Zhiyuan is smart. It makes sense for Xu Zhiyuan to come to dig earlier. But when was it? It was after the publication of “Fang Hua” that the government began to have this idea , right? Before your novel “Fanghua”, it was still a slum . On the one hand, we found that there are very few people living by the river in the town now. Except for the old men and women, young people don’t want to live here. Why ? Because it is inconvenient. There are bridges everywhere and you have to climb over them. The ground at the entrance is uneven and no cars can get in. Bicycles can’t be ridden either. Originally, this is a water culture , a boat culture . The river is full of transportation. You get on a boat like Mr. Feng Zikai did , you drink tea on the boat and you’re in Hangzhou, right? But now, only older people can do this . The young people who lived here moved away a long time ago, so I guess many people also moved away from this house at that time . But can I understand it this way ? His ancestors had accumulated virtues and his descendants were talented . With the power of the novel “Fanghua”, this slum was returned to the descendants of the Jin family in a sense . That is to say, the house was redeveloped and rebuilt after the novel. My novel was published in 2012 and 2013. Then in 2019 , someone from the government came to find me, the beautiful woman you just mentioned. You know, a novel “snatched” the ancestral home back. Of course, the local government has a vision , right? Developing cultural and creative industries The tourism industry, right? That also gave me a good inspiration. When I returned to Hong Kong, I also converted my old house into a study , but it was too small . Kowloon Walled City? There is only the Tiger of Wan Chai in Wan Chai, which is only 15 square meters. You have to queue up to enter and visit it. I saw this. Let me introduce it to you. This is the desk where I wrote “Fang Hua”. Yes, how could you write on such a small desk ? It’s not me. Look, there is a photo here. My computer is on this desk. This is a photo I took after I finished writing “Fang Hua” . There is a chair and you moved here from Shanghai, right? This was bought by my father in Suzhou in 1948. He originally planned to get married here. All the furniture was placed here. But when he got married in Shanghai in the 1950s and gave birth to my eldest brother, my grandmother moved all these to Shanghai. I think it’s a bit old-fashioned. You think we all have big desks now, right? Look at Hugo in Paris. When I saw Hugo’s novels, they were also written on such a big desk. They all wrote on such a small desk here. Look, I also drew a picture. You see, my computer was on this round table. This is also the room in your home in Shanghai. It’s about 12 square meters, like a study . I tell you, I have seen the place where Wang Anyi wrote “Song of Everlasting Regret”. There are two bedside tables on both sides of a big bed. I want to see her. I sit on this side of the bed and she sits on the other side. I ask her where you write your novel. It’s the bedside table next to the bed. Really, I tell you that only local writers can write good works. Really, now the studios of painters are as big as workshops, but the works they make are a mess. There is a sea view and nothing can be written. No wonder, look at this. This set of tables and chairs was taken to Shanghai by my grandmother in 1951. From 2011 to 2015, I completed “Flowering” and “Looking Back” on this table . Seventy-three years later, in 2024, they returned here. With the novels written on this table, the old house also returned to the Jin family. I think What is this reincarnation called? You talk to God. You have to discover or accept the gift God gives you in time . If you don’t pay attention, it will be scratched away. You see, it missed a line. Wong Kar-wai didn’t look for “Dragon Head and Phoenix Tail” but found “Flower”. His choice was right. These are my father and my father’s friends. This is my father and an old friend who communicate every day using postcards. The content of the communication is so public in the post office that it is called a postcard. Mr. Jin, I said, you are really Mr. Jin. You are also good at decoration. There is nothing I can do. This is my parents’ book. There is still a little rain here . Good here . This . Open the door a little. I think the environment is pretty good.
There are things built here. Let’s go inside. Look at the eaves of Jiangnan. I think you should see the magnificent landscape from the fake third floor. Are these tiles old? Look, this is really old. This is an empty house. Look, this is in “Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio”. All the stories are empty buildings and empty rooms. They are really dilapidated. Mosses grow on the tiles. Think about it, it ‘s beautiful. Especially today when it rains, I think you should take a few close-ups of the water drops . This upstairs is a small art exhibition of mine, a small art exhibition. These are all your works . Yes, these are all mine. Teacher Jin, I want to discuss a question with you . Of course, I am younger than you , so I dare not pretend to be young. I think the people born in the 1950s are this generation, including me and Teacher Xu. Why do I feel that your generation is actually talking about music, chess, calligraphy and painting today. You can see this characteristic in Gu Cheng and Ah Cheng. That is, how come people of your generation did not receive professional training , but they can basically play a musical instrument or paint. He said he had never learned to paint, but he can paint a few strokes and look like he is even multi-talented. But if you look back, you will see that our generation is much worse. If you look back, you can only say that In some aspects, he is very good. For example, if you ask me to draw now, I can’t even draw a circle . You said that I have not received training. I think it is different from me who has not received training . I am not such a bad kid at all. I know the reason. If the family controls him more and makes choices for him, the more he is unwilling to do it. He has not discovered his ability. For our generation born in the 1950s, our parents don’t care about us at all because our parents can’t take care of themselves. If your parents don’t care about you, you will care about everything around you, including whether your parents are in a bad mood today and whether something will happen. So now, these young people born in the 1990s and 2000s are completely dominated by their parents. You want to learn art or what you want to learn , but in fact, what does this child want to do? He may have his own discovery , but this discovery has long been controlled by his parents. Last time, “The Republic” and I were judges, and then we were called in one by one and asked what was your favorite book when you were young and adolescence. I said it was “Jack London”, just like Teacher Xu. Then Teacher Xu went in and Teacher Xu came out. I asked Teacher Xu, what book is yours? He said it was also “Jack London”. So this is a coincidence. These five people are any famous people in the world, ancient and modern, Chinese and foreign. You mentioned it to us. We bumped into each other. Were you both educated youth from Shanghai? That is to say , why would a teenager like Jack London at that stage ? It was because Jack London was a very legendary figure. He was a sailor who could go to heaven and earth. Looking at him now, I think he was a bit like a knight. He spoke more positively , that is, he made an active choice. I spoke more negatively , that is, in that era , there was no professional education and no books to read. That is why people were free. Nowadays, people are occupied by school a lot of their time except for their families . The school also has part-time jobs. You can take this class and that class. At that time, there was nothing good to learn. Parents had no requirements for you. Just don’t learn bad things. You just don’t learn bad things. There was also the Internet . At that time , even if you were busy during the day, you could read a book or a small notebook in your bed at night . What do you read ? Now the Internet also has various games. At that time, the main network was friends , right? So Shanghai people talk about making friends . What does it mean ? You make friends, but you can’t make bad friends. Making friends means that the kind of people you hang out with will determine what your future will be like, right? You really answered my question that has been asking me for a long time. Teacher Xu said That reminded me of the 1970s when I was 20 years old. Every month in Shanghai, all kinds of underground novels would be popular. I remember one year when I returned to Shanghai from the Northeast to visit my relatives, I heard that the most popular thing in Shanghai was a set of photos of oil paintings in the Louvre. But now I think it’s ridiculous. These black-and-white photos of the Louvre. For example, if you were shown the photos for two hours and then you gave them back, they would be passed on to others and circulated underground. Who would want to see your black-and-white photos of the Louvre now? At that time , there was nothing to see, as Teacher Xu said, there was no education. That era was very special. The lack of education instead brought about a thirst for self-study. Every young person, every teenager, will always receive some kind of education, right? Now it’s more like the college entrance examination, right? Examination-oriented education. At that time, there was no such education , so you would also get in touch with all kinds of things. Now it’s too full of topic-based composition education, so it’s hard for him to develop. Back then, we were like a self-service shopping mall. You went to a store and chose your own food . Now it’s like your parents chose the set meal for you. Who wants to accept someone else’s arrangement, right? Now even if you have a choice , the things you choose are all similar . In addition, I still think that the Internet is highly centralized. Do you understand? The language used by everyone is related to the games played. The gossip in the heart is too lively and concentrated. The most vivid part in his “Flower” is that there are several young people with completely different backgrounds. If it were today, they would go to different schools and take different paths. Husheng Abao might go abroad to study, Xiaomao might go to do business, right
? Taotao went to open a shop. At that time, there was no way out. Everyone queued up to buy movie tickets together and got to know each other. As a result, their friendship transcended the limitations of this social class. This is the most vivid part in his novel . This is a mixture of Cathay Cinema and the Big Chime Clock . Because Cathay Cinema is in the French Concession , it was the core part of the French Concession at that time. The Big Chime Clock was actually close to the working class area. All of them were people of the working class. It promoted class integration. It was impossible for people from these two places to have any connection . Many writers in Shanghai wrote about the class gap and described the beginning of the great revolution. Its reasonable motivation was to break through this gap. Wasn’t there someone who copied a Hong Konger, right? Hong Kongers look down on you like garbage . If you call me garbage, how can I … In fact, the revolution had a certain rationality at the beginning. It had a certain rationality. It broke through this class. The purpose of the revolution was achieved in you. However, in his novels Finally, it is written that this kind of thing further intensifies and solidifies the prosperity on the table. But for example, in this TV series, Abao and Taotao are supposed to have different economic income levels, but why are they still so close ? The TV series has changed too much. Is this TV series beautification? Taotao took out all her money to support him .
Do you think this is romanticization of the TV series? Well, it is possible. But from my personal experience, in fact, the older he gets, the more picky he is (about friends). And because friends have all kinds of friends, right? For example, I have a lot of friends from the days when I went to the countryside . Friends who work as security guards are those who went to the countryside with him in the past. We can talk, but they are not your core part , but it is also very good to think about the past when we were together, right? Didn’t the ancients say that there are only two or three true friends in life ? In Shanghai dialect, it means bare-buttocks (naked buttocks) friends wiping their buttocks. Bare pants (wearing open-crotch pants) friends are how to translate it , that is , playing together with bare buttocks. What is it called in northern dialect ? What is it called? Faxiao? That’s right. So if the naked friends are now one very rich and the other is still poor, do you think these two can really get along? How do you put it? From the perspective of critical realism, I think it’s like what Dickens wrote about a man who later arrived in London. A simple blacksmith came to see him, and he had been with a group of aristocratic children . He felt ashamed, and the blacksmith was quite sensible and left after seeing this. This is a critical realism. Most descriptions are like this, but my feeling is another way. For example, everyone was the same in the past , and then after arriving in the city, you are a laid-off worker , and your roommate has now become the general manager. It’s the other way around. This brother who went to the countryside, this brother who has lost his job, ran to the Bund and sat down on his big desk in the big company building, and then took out cigarettes and handed them out without any scruples. This is very subtle . Then the boss secretly talked to me and said he couldn’t stand it. He asked what to do about this matter because we used to be people who had been through life and death together, and he completely used the old things to control the situation. But this is the critical realism in the novel, like what Dickens wrote, it’s all people from the bottom of the society, they are all very simple, and then they became capitalists. The family seems to be particularly snobbish , and there is also the other way around, because there is this past relationship. Yes, there is this relationship. This is Mr. Jin, right? This is my self- portrait. I draw my self-portrait . I think this can be used to analyze his personality. This is Freud. Let’s analyze it with Teacher Ma . I am an undergraduate in psychology. Look at the nose. It is a bird . The lizard is eating a grasshopper. Or you see, the lizard is eating the grasshopper , and the oriole is behind it . Is the oriole in the position of the nose? At the same time, the most important thing is Wentao. This color is very brilliant and bright, right?
It means that you have great ambitions and fly up to shine. But, you have turned it into fortune-telling. Mr. Jin calculated it, but his eyes revealed a little fear or a sneaky feeling. The wrinkles seem to be tortured by life, but they also represent the kind of seagull-like dream in his heart. Do you think it is a bit like that seagull? Just attach the text version of Wentao’s interpretation next to it. Mr. Jin has been dissected thoroughly. Ladies and gentlemen , we usually say that the interpretation of this picture actually reflects the psychology of the interpreter. The sneaky feeling just now is Wentao’s psychology. You see, it is also beautiful when looking down. It is raining today. It is so beautiful. You see, this is its design. So in one sentence , it can rain at home and it can rain at home. Rain is a luxury. Do you like living in Shanghai or here ? The biggest problem with living here is that you have to run up and downstairs all the time. I used to live in a duplex. Why do people like large flats now? They always have to run up and downstairs. If they forget something , they have to go upstairs again. There is a solution. Just hire five maids at home. Yes, five maids. Spring, summer, autumn, winter, and what else? East, South, West, North, Center, Center . You went up for me. Jiahui is working hard. Currently, there are two women around him. One is his wife and the other is his assistant, right? Now there will be a third one soon. There is also a Filipino maid at home . Yes, that’s right. This is your painting. I think this one has a bit of urban romance. This one has a bit of Shanghai romance. It makes people have literary associations. Do you think this painting has a story ? Yes , is there a story? Yes, what story? It depends on you. The main thing is that the painting is for people to see. What do you think when you look at it ? I think it’s a living person holding a lifeless person. Now it’s this kind of dancing. In the past, it should be two people who are very coordinated physically and mentally. But now these two paintings are a real person holding an idol . Many times, the person we are holding looks like a plastic person . Yes, that’s what it means. It’s actually the Huangpu River outside, right?
But these boats on the Huangpu River It is connected to the painting hanging in the house. This is what I am most proud of. This is not real , but it is so real. This real person is a little bit struggling. She is struggling to maintain a kind of ruthless indifference. Wentao is so amazing. He even found the problem with this bird. I didn’t expect it to be leaked unconsciously. Lao Jin, you promised to give me a painting before . I know I will give it to you . Naturally, I will. You three should give me your addresses when the time comes. He is valuable now, you know. This is a terrible loss. Jin Yucheng’s manuscripts are all my manuscripts . This is a 1990 novel about Lili Town, ” A Night Journey of Desire ” . Jiahui is a handwriting collector. Do you still have it ? Didn’t you send the handwritten manuscripts to the publishing house later ? Yes, you can get it back. You can get it back. Look, this is this. This is the cover of this set of manuscripts. He cut off the three words “I “. It is the signature. He wants to print it on “Harvest”. The original manuscript was returned to me. Generally, many publishing houses don’t return it. A while ago, I heard Yu Hua talking about when he first started writing and sent it to the publishing house. The manuscripts, and later there were copiers for photocopying. He took them to photocopy, but after the photocopying, Why did he still send the manuscript to the publishing house ? Because the manuscript paper he used to write the manuscript was taken from the publishing house. He thought it was free, so he sent the manuscript over. But what about the photocopies? He had to pay for each copy. At that time, each copy cost one cent. He thought, since I paid for it, of course I had to keep the photocopies. He sent all the manuscripts out. So later on, Yu Hua said that all the writers of his generation had photocopies of their manuscripts in their hands , and the original manuscripts were all sent to the publishing house. He lost them. It was like he made a wrong judgment. The
original manuscript is actually valuable. Now everyone uses computers to write . Does this mean that he has lost a lot of money? Is that right ? Look at this manuscript of mine. This manuscript was written on a computer at that time , but it was written on a computer. I printed it out on the computer and I am still revising it. This is the revised draft of the first draft of “Fang Hua”. It is really this kind of manuscript that will be auctioned in the future. Should n’t it be handwritten? The handwritten ones were gone later. I heard that some of their writers now wrote on computers and then copied it by hand. How could they have such a lot of money? This is so handsome. This looks like a handsome guy. This is really handsome. Now let’s go to the real Fanhua Study. Okay , come on , be careful. I thought this study was like the one in the late Qing Dynasty. After a lot of fuss, Mr. Jin turned it into this. In the “Round Table” in Fanhua Study, why don’t you make it like an old coffin? Because the books we read are all very familiar to many friends who come in and see them. They are the translated novels newly published in the 1980s, the yellowed ones. They are not Chinese classics. Our teacher Xu’s books are very familiar to the publicity. Teacher Xu has sharp eyes and sees himself everywhere. Let me tell you, my book is in the third box on the right. There are two more books . Because I worked in a watch factory for a while, so I ran to a second-hand store and saw this clock. I couldn’t help but buy it. After I bought the clock , I met an old man holding a table clock. He wanted to bargain with the boss. The boss said, for example, 450 (yuan). He said 500 (yuan), is it okay ? No, it’s 450 (yuan). I waited on the side. I thought this clock is also very beautiful. If he leaves now, I will go outside to bargain with him. I said I It was only 500 (yuan) , but the old gentleman never went out. Later, I thought that if I bought one, I would buy ten , but I had no idea. So I bought this one. This is a ship’s clock, which is installed on the ship. No matter how the wind and waves shake the ship , it will not have any errors. This is a British product. It is now to commemorate your work in the watch factory. Right, but the problem is that you need a ladder. When you climb up this ladder, will you feel a little practical? The ladder is quite sturdy. But I tell you that books are actually practical. In the end, for example, the bookstores designed by Ando Tadao are three stories high, so it is impossible to go up and get them, but he has to do it this way. So later, reading books is like reading books . Books become a kind of installation , which gives you such an atmosphere. I said , isn’t the bookshelf the best cultural wall? Let’s take a look at the two cultural walls. Let’s sit here , three cultural people. I remember that the last time you came to Beijing, you lit a burner of incense and lit a burner of incense . There were flowers everywhere. But Mr. Jin, you said that the last time I told you, it was yesterday , not the day before yesterday. I met you for the first time. Do you think I was saying good things to you in front of you? Our team has confirmed what I said. Yesterday, I am a person who loves to read faces. I said that after the TV series “Fang Hua”, the original author will definitely become famous. Why? When I saw you, I said that compared with when we did “Round Table” a few years ago , I said that I felt that you seemed to be more handsome. Anyway, you look better. Does your complexion look better? Your complexion is different . Don’t you think I have aged a lot ? Do you remember that time I teased you and said that he looked like a mountain sculpture? You know, the wrinkles on his face are like the hardships of life. Then I said that his eyes are like those of a clerk, an eagle. There is a feeling that is even a little sinister. But you see, yesterday our little girl also said that if a person becomes famous, his face will become younger. Am I famous? I have been famous for a long time, for decades. Now I want to talk about you. How do you feel about you, the original author, after the TV series “Fang Hua” was broadcast ? I feel quite scared. I feel deeply the pressure from the Internet. That is, every day when you open your mobile phone , you will hear people talking about this matter . It seems that people have to go through this before you can feel it. To be honest, it is human nature that people don’t want to be noticed. Which part of you? I suddenly realized that especially in the first two weeks after the show was aired, not to mention me, the director (Wong Kar-wai) was very nervous. Because later I thought about it, when the director was shooting a film, it took him ten years to shoot a film. He didn’t have the system we have now. He was nervous . Someone told me that someone was talking about this and that, and there were some things in the backstage. And his nervousness was because he had never done post-production . So one was anxiety and the other was fear. The fear was that he was afraid that one day, because after all, he invested so much in something so much that all the discussions were focused on this place. I kept saying that I was happy. You said it was also good to be popular. People’s happiness only lasts for a few seconds. After a few seconds, suffering is long-lasting. Let alone suffering , I was very nervous. I was afraid that something would happen, right ? I ‘m not afraid of anything. I’m a person and I’m not afraid of anything. I wrote a novel by myself, but there are so many things going on. I really didn’t expect that Wong Kar-wai is such a person. I originally thought he was an artist who was calm and composed. He is very careful. Look at what is said on the Internet and all the comments . Yes , although he is determined not to attend anywhere, he is a Cancer . What does Cancer mean ? A simple description of a crab is that of a crab with a very solid shell and rich content. He has all kinds of ideas, but on the surface you can’t detect his ideas . Stephen Chow is also a Cancer because it ‘s a bang . If you broadcast it on New Year’s Eve, his subordinates are not ready. He has to rush and work overtime for 24 hours for post-production. He can only produce three, four or two episodes every day. He is also a perfectionist. So after the first round of broadcasts, he will make a refined version. For example, Abao’s face in the alley is a little unclear and very dark. Then he can create layers and sound channels. For example, this person is talking here and that person is talking there. So his film can be broadcast in wide-screen theaters. He has been working overtime all the time. He has been doing the first round. He has sent it two days before the end before taking a breath. So I heard that he is still reworking it. He is still working on it. He also wants to make a translated version or a foreign language version. But Mr. Xu is not concerned about these aspects. Mr. Xu may be concerned about the literary aspect. After the original author sees the TV series, is this the direction you are concerned about ? My impression is that he said that the adapted TV series is not the same as his novel . What ? It’s not that relevant . Later, he chased me to death. He asked me how I could become a hater. But I don’t know where it was mentioned in some podcast. Because of what? Someone quoted Mr. Xu’s words out of context and said that Wong Kar – wai’s films were impossible to watch . In fact, there is a cause and effect. That is to say, the original literary work is actually real. It is impossible to shoot a film to that level. This is the first and the second. Even if you graduate from a film school and become a director for the first time, you will never shoot a film according to the original work. You must have your own creations and discoveries. In fact, Wong Kar-wai wants to shoot far more than what we present now. He wants to shoot everything, but in the end he can only make this choice. My coming here also touches people and makes us collectively nostalgic for the time when we were most energetic. When I watched it, I said, will it be like the past “Desire”, which will touch everyone’s softest part? I said I really can’t estimate because sometimes when I think about the Internet age, everyone has distinctions. I like this and that. I have a very wide range of interests. Yes, some like Miss Wang. Some people like Mr. Xu. Who do you like ? Ma Yili , right? You can’t do that . Ma Yili, I am taking your words out of context and competing with me. It’s not him . Have you forgotten that you like Li Li? Is that why you came to Lili ? Does the name Li Li have anything to do with your hometown ? I don’t know at all, because when I think about it carefully, the two words Li Li are not used by anyone . As long as they have nothing to do with this place, they won’t have this phrase or pronunciation. I think it might be a syllable that I have stored in my memory. Is that an English name? Because when I read it, I thought it might be Lily Lily. Or yes, so in this novel, I deliberately used names like Baozong or something like that . Taiwanese people like Zhang Tailintai, so Zhang Tailintai or something like Zhangzong or Lizong. I deliberately used the simplest names , the most abstract symbols, and names without any meaning. Teacher Xu , the three of us talked about this last time . What new ideas do you have about this TV series? People are used to listening to nice words. If you say a hundred nice words, but there is one bad word , they will care. But I am still very surprised . They are two real friends. In front of Lao Jin, you say everything . Right, I think whether you understand it or not. I think he changed it quite well. I think it is quite relevant. What he said is not wrong. This new TV series “Fanghua” is not very relevant to the novel “Fanghua” , but both are masterpieces . It’s a bit like “Water Margin” gave birth to “Jin Ping Mei” . This is what you said yesterday. And the content is reversed. His novel is “Jin Ping Mei” , and his movie (TV series) has The chivalrous spirit of the knights is closer to the style of “Water Margin”. So I think Ka Fai made a wonderful comment that this thing has some Wong Kar-wai characteristics or Hong Kong characteristics . He said that it was made into a martial arts drama . Because I compared it with the previous work “Ashes of Time” . At that time, I had a view that the martial arts drama was made into a love movie and Jin Yong’s novel was made into Zhang Ailing’s . It felt like all kinds of heroes and knights, but the love stories in them could not be returned or left. This time, I felt that Wong Kar-wai made a life work into a martial arts drama. Obviously, it’s like a general Bao, right? The uncle comes out and gives him a golden sentence , often saying golden sentences, and often gives him inspiration of life wisdom. It’s like in martial arts novels, you often see a master teaching him martial arts and his skills improve greatly. Then later, all kinds of business tricks were made into martial arts dramas. Teacher Jin, did you feel like watching a martial arts movie after watching this drama ? I’m not from Hong Kong, I seem to be a little sensitive in this regard It’s a little faint, so I may be even more unclear about why. Because I had many conversations with the director before our early preparations, including the fact that I had painted a lot later. Before the epidemic, I painted some women wearing masks. The reason why I painted women wearing masks was because the director once took a photo of a Shanghai woman wearing a mask and dancing with a man in a ballroom in the late 1970s, and then the director asked me why Shanghai women would wear masks to dance at that time. I think this director is really keen on the information, so I told him that the beautiful women in Shanghai at that time , according to today’s saying, if you buy cosmetics , you are considered high-end, but Shanghai didn’t have anything in the 1970s, right? There were no skin care products that were different from others, and they had to protect their faces, so those girls who love beauty would often wear masks, especially in winter . This is in winter , not in summer . Driving or going out, then it extended to the dance hall. It is not a sense of mystery. It is actually excuse me, drink some water, drink some water. Every time Teacher Jin talked about women , he would cough and seem to have some emotions in his heart. It was because of this. Actually, when he said it, I remembered that it was like this at that time. It gave me the impression that women at that time all wore black or navy blue clothes. So what is the difference ? It may be in winter. It has a brown cotton-padded jacket, a light-colored scarf knitted with wool , and a mask. So I said that this woman must be a very fashionable woman. She must be different from others . Where can she be identified? She has a setting with a sense of mystery. There is also a little mystery. Because the dance halls in Shanghai at that time were relatively open. Later, when I went to Hong Kong , I was warned by them that you cannot ask a beautiful woman to dance when you see her sitting there. In Shanghai, you can really ask her to dance, even if there are boys next to her . But some women are willing to dance with you. But she also wants to keep a certain distance from you . A strange man is hugging and kissing her, so she won’t take off her mask. She wore the mask when she rode her bicycle outside , so she danced with you while wearing the mask. She also kept a certain distance. That is to say, I was just dancing. I didn’t have anything else. Shanghai is the easiest place to find beautiful women dancing. At that time , you said that dancing, how embarrassed would the man be ? Is n’t it very natural? I think there would be infinite imagination in the heart . A person wearing a mask is like wearing a veil . Yes, a veiled woman has a pair of beautiful eyes that makes her look better. This guy looks better. It ‘s really that basically in the late 1970s and early 1980s , when things like “The Blue Danube” came in . Our teacher Xu was so tall and handsome. He must have been an active figure in the dance hall back then. You are not short either. At that time, I was hated by them for many years. It was a group of young critics. The reason was that they had a meeting and there was a dancer. They went to invite this beautiful girl to dance. Several people invited her but failed. I came in later and I didn’t know what happened before them. I went in to find her dancing and she I danced, and these guys hated me for decades. Every time I met them, they would say that you were in a meeting in Hainan Island or something. But the mask he mentioned reminded me of that very subtle winter. She could take it off, but when she put it on, she said that she was just dancing as an extra. But on the bright side, she wore a mask and touched you. No one else saw her talking to her. No one else saw her lips moving, which made you feel even more sinister . Because when you just met , the two of you, outsiders didn’t know that the woman was talking to him, ” That’s right, dear, who am I?” Because Zidong just said that even if she has a male companion , you can ask her to dance, but she can’t let the boys see her moving her lips when talking to you. I think the advantage is that when I first arrived in Hong Kong, my friends took us to dance. That’s dancing. There were people dancing. Friends in Hong Kong warned you not to ask anyone to dance casually if there were men sitting next to them . That would be very troublesome. So I said there were no places to dance in Hong Kong, and he said there were dance halls. Later I went there and the dance hall was very interesting. The dance hall was the same as what my father told me about before 1949. If a woman came over, you could ask her to dance or not , but you had to ask her to dance. After that, she will put a bill with a stamp on it and put it on your desk. What is a bill ? It’s not a bill. It’s like selling wine like having morning tea, right? This is a dance . This was the case in the past in dance halls. Yes, it was like this in Shanghai. For example, the dance halls were divided according to how many times you danced for one dollar. I said that in the Republic of China era , the grades were divided according to how many times you danced for one dollar. One dollar was used to dance once , or one dollar could be used to dance five times. For example , one dollar was used to dance five times , and we danced once for five dollars. One dollar was used to dance five times , and we danced once for five dollars . Its price is due to inflation. For example, some charge high fees, so you are a high-end dance hall, and some charge low fees , so you are a small dance hall . It’s great to be a Shanghainese. Mr. Shi Zhecun told me this detail in detail. At that time, many underground party activities and cultural salons were held in such dance halls. That’s really it. When you talk about this, I remember that the most interesting thing is the boundary between one world and another , or the boundary between one era and another. At that time, it was still very conservative. What you said reminded me of the cafeteria of Wuhan University . In the 1980s, ballroom dancing was just becoming popular in college. You know, it ‘s very weird. It’s different from what you imagined. It’s different in the cafeteria , right ? It’s the same in our university . The cafeteria is about the same width as a football field. The girls stand in a row against the wall over there, and the boys stand in a row against the wall over there. You know, someone as shy as me doesn’t have the courage. That means you guys have to ask the girls to dance. Then who will walk those dozens of meters ? Under the watchful eyes of everyone, you usually have to be the best dancer. You have the confidence . People like us can only look at others . Do you dare to invite the prettiest couple ? Then walk over like this. But you know it took a long time to start because there was no one to start. Finally, one guy in the rows had the courage to walk over. Then another guy. Based on their different looks , you can see the biological laws, right? Then they started dancing with each other. And I remember what I will always remember is that it was very easy to dance because the floor of the cafeteria was covered with oil. You see, at that time, we were very shy , conservative, and closed, and then you had the only chance to hug a girl. This was a marginal breakthrough. You see, it’s a joke when you talk about it today, but now it’s the same as saying Dancing has now become square dancing, the kind performed by old men and old ladies. There aren’t many of these in Shanghai. Without ballroom dancing, will it be gone ? I remember what Teacher Xu said. I wrote this paragraph in “Fanghua”. I have had this experience a few times. I have a friend at East China Normal University. He told me that we have dances every day. When you come here, he will teach me when you are almost at the dance hall . He said, “I’m telling you, go to the dance hall and ask a girl to dance. You see this girl is dressed like a female student. You introduce yourself and say, “I’m selling fruits or running a small restaurant at the back door of your East China Normal University. ” She will be very enthusiastic towards you, right? He said, “If you see the girl’s dress, she’s not from our school. ” The people in the garden are Caoyang New Village or Changfeng New Village in the back . For ordinary women in society, you can tell them that you are a teacher at East China Normal University, and they will be very enthusiastic towards you . It’s quite interesting. So I told you about “Fang Hua”. In fact, I really want to tell people that TV dramas and novels are different. For example, you just talked about Li Li. I think TV dramas can’t be filmed so harshly. For example, this Li Li seems to be in the story of “Fang Hua” (novel). In the end, she had a one-night stand with A Bao . Why didn’t Chi Chi have a one-night stand? I don’t know. You don’t even know that they didn’t even kiss. Some people on the Internet say that a one-night stand is for some particularly sensitive people. Like our Wentao, I found that he is a very sensitive person who can interpret things. In fact, there is no one-night stand here . Xin Zhilei was sleeping in the car. But I saw someone on the Internet saying that this means that they had something going on, but I didn’t see it. I think that Abao went out of the car and smoked outside. It’s human nature. It shows that she is fully confident and relaxed with you. No wonder you two like to drive. I don’t think so at all . You see, you two are more sensitive . I am so forgetful now. Why do I remember a very sad plot ? Which one is Li Li? It’s about her experience back then. It’s about her past. Anyway, there was a past. A boyfriend, a gangster , and how did he mess with her, Mr. A, right? Then he did it to her private parts. That’s in the novel . That’s in the novel. It’s not like that in the movie (TV series ). Why didn’t I have this idea ? Because there was a scene in the beginning where A Bao was standing at the stairs and Li Li walked up to him. The two of them were almost close to each other with their mouths, as if we were going to see a kissing scene. He turned around and went upstairs. How could these two people get together in the blink of an eye? This is impossible. This is how I reasoned. So naive. Lu Xun commented on this brothel novel in the late Qing Dynasty with three words, one of which was “overly praised, overly praised, overly praised words”. Is that right? It’s “A Treasure Mirror for Appreciating Flowers” “Dream of the Brothel” is called “Excessive Evil” , which is “Nine-tailed Turtle”. There is another one called “Close to the Reality “, which is “Flowers of Shanghai”. His novels are closer to the real movies (TV series) . Movies (TV series) that are close to reality are exaggerated. For such a relationship between men and women, you can see how pure this Mr. Bao is . There are three or four women around him and they don’t know how they solve their physiological problems , right? In Yu Dafu’s view, it is so fake that it can only be understood from the perspective of martial arts. There are so many women who worship him from beginning to end, right? That is to beautify him. In order to have a huge social influence on the TV series, he beautified him. Li Li in the novel is so cruel , right? He (A Bao) didn’t sleep on her bed in a daze . When the light was turned on, there were cut dolls all around, right? Those dolls were all broken. They slept in Li Li’s room, right? It was scary. From a man’s perspective, you sleep with a woman and the next day when you turn on the light, the dolls are all broken. It is a symbol of fantasy , but they are all cut, and then there is this She was walking on the glass catwalk but was afraid of exposing herself, so she was engraved with words. This Li Li, this unforgettable paragraph is also the most realistic sexual relationship in the whole novel of A Bao, right ? Yes , this is very close, very close, not competitive, close, real. If I remember correctly, it is the concept of Lu Xun. There are several paragraphs in it that turn on and off the lights, which are very direct expressions of sexual desire. You are talking about the novel, right? In the novel, so he talked about this martial arts drama. You said you don’t understand it very well. You see, I am good at interpreting this. It can be heard as a good thing or a bad thing. This martial arts drama is about a good and refreshing drama. Ordinary people like it . You can see it is a huge success. You can’t deny that it is just that everyone likes to watch it , but the reason why they like to watch it is, for example, some are masters of TV dramas. This master of TV dramas understands the psychology of the audience, so it’s refreshing. But does this refreshing drama contain a little bit? For a drama to be particularly refreshing , there must be conflict , the drama must be particularly strong, and the characters’ personalities must be particularly strong. The characters’ personalities are too distinct, so that they are a little stereotyped , so that the richness and grayness in the novel are eliminated . What do you think about the complexity ? I think it is indeed different. The space is different. The audiences that need to be considered are also different. There are also some other regulations and so on. So being able to do this is the only choice. So when I talked about the mask woman at the beginning, I wanted to say that he was doing a carpet-style investigation at the time . There were a lot of people interviewing in the dance hall. There were interviews on Huanghe Road and so on. He thought about all kinds of preparations. We should shoot 25 dinner parties in 25 episodes. He also thought about what else. He also thought about A Bao playing the three male protagonists , Xiao Mao and Husheng . These are the three characters in the novel. He likes Hu Ge very much . Wong Kar-wai likes him very much . He said that he wanted him to play him and the three people. I said this is too difficult. If the three brothers meet one day, what do you say? He said there is a way. In fact, it is really not very simple. How do you do it? Can you change the heads of the three people? He said you didn’t change the heads of these three people. He had to put makeup on three people , which was very difficult. Why didn’t we shoot separately? It wasn’t just the three of us. It was just three brothers who happened to meet up to drink tea. How were you going to shoot it? Let’s not worry about him . Anyway, he denied it. That’s what I’m saying. He has a lot of ideas and methods . In the end, he did this. He’s not like a novelist . He only needs one person. So on the day he started filming, he asked me to congratulate you. He said that from today on, he would pay salaries to 400 people. That’s what he meant. Everyone has different ideas. Movies (TV series) are first of all a business. For example, in the past, for Wong Kar-wai’s movies like “Chungking Express” or something like that, many people were confused. What was the relationship between this man and this woman? Did they have feelings for each other? It was an ambiguous thing . But when you look at the TV series “Fang Hua”, why did he say it was like a martial arts drama? Otherwise, that day I Someone also commented that this story is so vivid about the righteousness of men and the affection of women. It is probably because the current social needs are to be happy and touching . Maybe you have done a survey. What about your survey? The relationship between men and women in your novels is not a survey in your novels. It is just in my memory . For example, if there is a particularly interesting and unique relationship between men and women , I don’t need to remember it. I will store it and it will become a keyword that I will store and I will not forget it. Then why do you seem to be particularly interested in stories about men and women? I am not interested just because it is special. So the difference between people who write novels and everyone else is that they will save everything. What about normal people? If they encounter something unhappy , negative energy , or spiritual pollution, they would throw it away immediately . I think the writer’s tolerance means that he will save it and he himself will not get sick. That is to say, I have to I will save it and write it down later because writing is a form of therapy for you. It can save negative energy or anything else. You can actually heal yourself through writing. As for why I was just talking about why I seem to be particularly interested in matters between men and women, it’s the same for you. I think I’m interested in both men and women. I think there is an answer. For example, friendship , family affection, and everything else are good . Compared to the emotions between men and women, the emotions between men and women are more complicated. There are affections, love , gratitude, resentment, and hatred at so many different levels. There are more aspects compared to friends, brothers, and sisters . So in terms of creation and fiction, there are more areas for you to explore and imagine. I think so you can see that the more touching the novels from ancient times to the present, both in China and abroad, the richer the emotions between men and women are written. But back to the TV series, it’s very smart. The director, I often say, took three crutches to help him walk. What was the first crutch? He often quoted sentences from the original work of “Fang Hua” , right? When Lian comes out, it’s Teacher Jin who’s in the front. A tribute to you, right? Reminding people that you are the first character to appear. Then he turned around and used the sentences in the original book . What is the second crutch used for? It has some narration, right? It explains the crazy rise and fall of the stock market over the past few years. I am afraid that the audience may not understand. There is also a third crutch. Isn’t there a small vendor selling cigarettes on the Yellow River Road in the novel? The assistant director is the assistant director of the TV series, right? Occasionally, someone would go over and ask him what happened . The fat guy would say that so-and-so would give an explanation, and then the audience would understand . This is Wong Kar-wai’s unprecedented consideration for the audience. I am afraid that you don’t understand. I give you three crutches so that you can understand “Fang Hua” under my lens. It is not necessarily the “Fang Hua” that you understand. I often read “Fang Hua” as “Fang Gua”. Sorry, the pronunciation is not good. You like blooming and bearing fruits . For that, I think he is unprecedented. This is the first time I ‘ve heard our Jiahui talk about being considerate and gentle. But they are professionals in this field, so they must have all kinds of information to say that we should have a quarrel here , or a slap here , or something here. In the past, it was not a TV series, they all had a pattern, that is , because they were afraid that you would go do something halfway through watching it, right? They wanted you to stay here and not move. I have a question, do you like the characters in your novel? Because many writers say that they have feelings for their characters, right? Sometimes, even I can’t control his (her) development . I want to ask, do you love the people in your novel? Of course, I like them , of course it’s not a question of love , but I like them , that is, I will like them. So when you watch a TV series, do you like the corresponding character in the TV series ? Why? Because the novel is a decoding process. Our encoding is text , and the images you create through text. For example, in Dream of the Red Chamber, you are a person who plays Lin Daiyu. We have watched Lin Daiyu, and you go to see the best actress who says she is Lin Daiyu. How can you accept it? Then you have to think about it in advance. I think this is a new thing, which cannot be compared with text. The only check mark in the text is the name. It is this name. You have given up. I had thought about giving up the monopoly of my imagination on the novel in advance . No, I just think that I have to see what I am interested in , how he explains your character and organizes such a story, how he develops it, and where his focus is. Because I knew very early that you must be a person with such ideas as the director, so I said it is a new life. Did he tell you about it in advance? Did he ask you to sit down one day? Teacher Jin, let me tell you, my thing that has nothing to do with your novel, did he give you a rough idea in advance? He would not tell me, he would not tell me , and at the beginning, we talked about the story and what not. We just chatted nonsense, but when we got into the real part, it was because I also had a drama, and there was a group of people doing this stage play. The dialogue drama is more faithful to the original, so it is a drama that is more faithful to the original. I don’t know why, but dramas are all faithful to the original , and there are very few dialogue dramas. This is like a rule, a convention , not that most of the movies are also faithful to the original, such as Wong Kar-wai. What foreign movies do you watch ? For example, I have seen so many versions of Anna Karenina. It is as great a classic as Dream of the Red Chamber. Anyone has the opportunity to interpret it . Actually, when Wong Kar-wai was making it and I really came into contact with it, he didn’t tell me because he was afraid that after I told him, I might not be able to interpret it. That is to say, because of the industry rules, I am an outsider. But I heard that this is not true. I don’t know if it is true . Speaking from a personal point of view, if it were not for the filming of this TV series , you and Wong Kar-wai actually prefer the girlfriend who appears the shortest in the TV series. You are talking about Xuezhi . Xuezhi, why? Because she is more literary, right? She is more literary. This girl is the one who buys tickets for bus No. 13. Do you like the actress Du Juan or the Xuezhi in the novel ? Yes, because the character paths in the novel and the actual TV series are completely different . That is to say, the first part of the novel is the same, such as her relationship with Abao. Later, because Xuezhi’s family strongly resisted and could not marry their daughter to Abao because At that time, dating was not like it is now, where you can date for five or ten years. At that time, dating was for the purpose of getting married. So, Abao’s father also said, “If someone like this doesn’t have a family like you, and my family has no house, but their family has a house , can you live with her in this family if you marry her? ” As for Xuezhi, she was the brother of the whole family. Her older sister and older brother were all in the countryside , and the family relied on her alone in Shanghai . They relied on her to turn things around. So, in this position, she also fits her personality. That is to say, she never said to Abao, ” I love you all my life, and I will follow you no matter what you want .” But as for Abao , because his parents opposed it, he hoped that Xuezhi would say, ” I will never leave you, and I will follow you . ” Abao also had self-esteem, and he hoped that this woman would be able to follow him wholeheartedly. But that didn’t happen, so the two of them naturally called it quits because Xuezhi’s family made trouble at Abao’s house. After many years, Abao became Baozong, and one day he met Xuezhi at an occasion where there were all kinds of ladies. That was in the novel , at the very end of the novel . When we meet again, Abao hears Abao walking on the Suzhou River. Then a phone call comes in. Abao and Husheng are walking together. The person on the phone says, “Abao, I’m Xuezhi. ” Abao says , “It’s not convenient for me right now, let’s talk later ,” and hangs up. Xuezhi comes to see Abao, but someone tells him that Xuezhi is now a rich lady. That’s what’s in the novel , so the director wrote her as being with another person . There’s another person who is Husheng’s boyfriend . During the reform and opening up period, a Hong Konger comes here. So she breaks up with Husheng in order to marry the Hong Konger, so he puts the two together. The two together form the second half of Xuezhi , and then she dies and so on. This is the director’s understanding. In fact, when you write about this relationship , don’t you say that there are prototypes? I want to hear what this story is like in real life . Real life stories are basically like this. They are true. You include the one you encountered yourself and this one is a friend of mine. That is to say, it is basically like this. So the theme of this novel is that life is very embarrassing. Everyone’s encounters are not black and white. You will always encounter unsatisfactory things. Nine out of ten times, you will always encounter embarrassing things in your life. It is not so romantic . Of course, it will be very romantic, but when you get romance, you will also have this. It can’t last long. You said that most viewers don’t like ambiguity and like to give a clear attitude . No, it is because they like ambiguity that they enjoy the relationship between Mr. Bao and those women. If there is no longing, curiosity , interest or even investment in this relationship , this TV series is hard to follow. Now if you want to catch people, the most important magic weapon is detective murder . Look at other “The Long Season” In “Kuang Bi”, there are fighting and killing in every episode , and the murderer is there. In this case, you have to rely on a love story between a man and a woman to capture the audience , which is very difficult. Only one man and three women can do it, right? In fact, it is one man and four women. In Hong Kong, it is actually a tradition. I mentioned Hong Kong literature last time. Liu Yichang’s “The Drunkard”, Kunnan’s “The Gate of the Earth”, Xu Su’s “Stars, Moon, and Sun” are all famous works in Hong Kong, including Ye Si’s “Paper Cutting”, “Dragon Head and Phoenix Tail”, and Ma Jiahui . So many classic stories in Hong Kong are about one man and many women. This is very special when I put it in the entire history of Chinese literature in the 20th century. We either have one man and one woman , which is very noble, like “To Live”, or one woman and many men. In this case, different men represent different political forces. The most typical example is “White Deer Plain”. Tian Xiao’e, bandits, landlords and so on. There are also one woman and multiple men, and the men represent different political choices, such as “Song of Youth”. But there are rarely one man and multiple women maneuvering among several women, which is the tradition of “Dream of Red Mansions”. Yes, but I am talking about the 20th century . Usually, when writing such dramas, one would worry that people would not be able to watch it. In fact, there is also Yu Dafu. But the other one is now afraid that you will be stepped on by others , right? Scumbag? It’s mainly this , right? It’s mainly this. So this adaptation has two major breakthroughs. One major breakthrough is the cool article I just mentioned. It writes these women who seem to have no chance to get men into winners. Each of them is Bao Zong, so beautiful. In the end, we will meet again in Jianghu, right ? I am the winner, right? And in the end, they are all self-reliant, right? They don’t rely on men but on themselves, right? Even As for how Mr. Bao secretly helped her, Miss Wang would not be able to do anything if she knew about it. But these men all met their ideals. There are two ideals. The first one is to be beautiful, right? The second one is to spend money right away. You know that Ma Yili, right? You work here, right? I will buy you a store in Shanghai, right? Miss Wang, you are in trouble, right? What about Cadillac, right? Send a car? You see, there is affection and righteousness, which is very satisfying to watch . At the beginning, it is very satisfying. You are sure that women will say that this man is good and cool, right? No, but then again, Teacher Jin just said that life is embarrassing. I am most interested in this because no matter whether she is beautiful or not, generous or not , or what novels, TV series , or plots, we will see it. At least for me, the most touching thing about reading novels, watching TV series, and watching movies is that life is embarrassing. What should I do after that? How do you respond to this embarrassment? What methods do you use to get out of it ? Some people have really walked out of it, whether it is women’s independence or grievances and hatreds . Some people are very unfortunate. Your second choice to respond to this embarrassment is to let yourself or even the person you love into another embarrassment, a greater embarrassment . I think the latter part is the truly touching part of many creative novels, films and TV works. There is nothing new under the sun , but how to respond to that embarrassment involves human initiative and destiny. The most touching part is the part where Ma Yili breaks up with Mr. Bao in the end. She walks away, stops and wants to say one more word to him , then continues walking. This part is one of the parts in the whole play. What you just said is that this incident caused embarrassment to people, but you said that this woman is so self-reliant and determined that she is not affected by the man’s secret help. She is very dissatisfied with him and Miss Wang . I like Miss Wang very much . I also agree with Wentao on this point. Maybe from a man’s perspective, our situation is not likely to be that great , but it may also be the so-called need now , that is, women need to be more uplifting in this regard . Because to be honest , according to my own thinking , generally speaking, if two people had feelings in the past, that is, Even if things are not going well for everyone now , if there is someone who can help you , because there are very few people in today’s society who can help you, if someone helps you, you will immediately notice it or be touched . There is no such thing as , as soon as I hear that it is you who is helping me , I will not do it, I must do it myself. I think this may be a demand, or our current producers may have some data , so you realize that behind such a successful TV series, in addition to art, it must have a lot of considerations and references to mainstream values ​​and even political correctness. She must maintain her self-esteem. In addition, she also has a downstream customer around her. Although she cannot say that she loves the downstream customer , she is also at a disadvantage economically. This explains Miss Wang’s unreasonableness , right? In fact, I really think that I remember that there was such a lady many years ago . Of course, she also found a very powerful man, but she always liked to say that I found this understandable. She said, “Don’t think I am… ” Relying on a man, I rely on myself, I can totally understand that , but then I told her , why do you have to say that, I think your man also relies on you, the Chinese character “人与人 ” is composed of a left stroke and a right stroke. Who can be independent? Right, we all support each other, right? Husband and wife, colleagues, team , even boyfriend and girlfriend, right? Of course you rely on yourself, and you must rely on your man to some extent , but at the same time, the man must also rely on you to some extent , this is the truth. Why do people now like to emphasize that I am me, and his ideas are quite consistent , who relies on whom? This society is quite consistent, I think why should it be so clearly divided, right? What is the reason ? My ideas are really different. I will go back and think about it again. When we re-read many biographies of some women , that is, since the beginning of the Republic of China, there are quite a few famous women who have refused to rely on men . It’s not that they didn’t rely on them, but that they refused. It might be because of divorce or breakup. The man will give you money, give you connections , and even use this as a temptation . If you can’t do it, we will divorce. You will starve to death with several children. I will watch you starve to death. You should come back and follow me. I will support you. Anyway They are my children. They all refused. Then, after very hard work, they achieved something. I think there are many such people. So sometimes, even if I refuse you , it is still a human relationship. It is not the so-called independence . Independence is also good. My feeling is that independence has nothing to do with you. But I use my rejection of you as a force to make myself progress and to establish a relationship with you. Your interpretation is also very wonderful. Your interpretation is called adverse conditions in Buddhism . Yes, adverse conditions mean that I want to thank my enemies and those who abandoned me. They made me more motivated and brought me to where I am today. This is called adverse conditions. It is also a kind of fate . Adverse conditions. So, you see , I think the reality of life is complicated. But you know , for example, in today’s era of short videos, you often feel that people have a kind of hurry . They don’t like the unclear world . Tell me if he is a good person or a bad person. Which side of this person is it? It’s very simple and clear. So why do I say that what I want to talk about with you three writers ? In fact, I think literature is the last bastion of guarding kindness. This is what is kindness . Kindness is sympathy and understanding. Kindness means that we cannot think in simple terms of black and white. Everyone is just like Jesus is speaking, right? If anyone of you is innocent, you can throw stones at her, right? In fact, you see, this society needs certainty. For example, the law is not without justice. The criminal must pay the price and be punished. But you will find that a society without laws alone is cold and harsh. For example, the Qin Dynasty, right ? How did it fall ? Of course , that’s too far. I mean that this society has many aspects. I think the role of literature is to tell you that things and people have many complexities. I don’t think your achievement makes me want to call you Mr. Jin, but his fun makes me want to call him Mr. Jin. As for this Mr. Jin, I later liked to study this person’s language. We invited him to be on the “Round Table”
The fourth season of “Round Table” a few years ago , and I found that there is a characteristic in his speech. Generally speaking, people at this level, we call it opinions. Everyone likes to express your opinions. Have you noticed that today’s program, including meetings, teams like to talk about their opinions the most. The audience likes to hear opinions . A person wants opinions. To be clear, I would say that without opinions, you cannot live. Why are you so obsessed with opinions ? He likes to tell stories. Yes, in the end, we found that some of our colleagues were a little disappointed. You know, they said that this person has no opinions. He has no opinions . He just tells a lot of stories. But you find that without his stories, there is no praise or criticism . But this attitude is not clear. That is what you just said, Professor Xu , that this near truth has a kind of naturalism they call it . In the past, we underestimated naturalism . In fact, the essence of life is not in a hurry to express your attitude. You should first look at it and see what is going on from head to toe . This reminds me of what you said just now, that some people say that Abao is a scumbag. In fact, the TV series has already made it up well, right? But the other day I heard an interview with Lao Jin that was widely circulated on the Internet. Your opinion on scumbags may be because of the fast-paced society nowadays. It wants to archive you, that is, to use a few nouns. But I am a literary person , and as a literary person, I am more chaotic. I look at people in a very chaotic way. There is good in the bad and good in the bad. This is the so-called If pure literature is popular literature, then this person is a gangster, this person is a playboy, this person is something else. That is to say, this is different from the so-called definition of literature or popular literature. For example, what is naturalism originally ? For example, I remember that Zola wrote a novel called “Sisters”. The two sisters are the elder sister and the younger sister. They are both in a department store in Paris. I remember that they are sales clerks in the department store. The elder sister ‘s lifelong ideal is to find a clerk to marry, and then have children and live a peaceful life . This is her life ideal. What is the younger sister? She likes to dress up and dance. Her lifelong ideal is to become a person who can enter the upper class and the social circle of the aristocracy. Then, according to the writing style of critical realism , you must criticize the younger sister. However, its naturalistic approach is to say how the elder sister is and how she finally gets married and has children, and the younger sister is living paycheck to paycheck. That is, she dresses up after receiving her salary and even asks her elder sister for money. But the ending of this novel is that the younger sister also achieved her goal and got married. An old nobleman in his fifties is very happy. His sister is married to a clerk and is also very satisfied. There is no criticism at all , which shows that the author really met these two sisters and they achieved their ideal. As for the so-called criticism, I think people nowadays don’t actually need to judge or criticize them, because I have always said that readers are smarter than authors. They can see clearly. Why do you still have to introduce how good this is or how bad this is? Why do people like to go to supermarkets ? In supermarkets, you can choose by yourself . I want to buy this. We can also choose by ourselves on the Internet. I don’t need you to introduce the products at all. Why don’t you notice this? In the past, if we ran to a store and people pestered you about how good my clothes are, you would definitely run away. There was no need for anyone to introduce or do anything. We are all these audiences now than in the past. In the traditional Chinese history, I think people nowadays have the broadest vision in all dynasties. They know everything, have seen everything, and understand everything. People can understand everything in the edited films, but I, the author, may not understand it. People can understand it , so I think in literature, you just need to write about a complex story or complex human nature that you know , and you don’t have to criticize it. How could people not understand , right? So you see, one time I saw a reporter interviewing Lao Jin, and he was talking about critical realism. There was a period in our literature that was very critical of realism. Lao Jin said, ” Our society has been criticized too much. He said that there have been too many judgments. He said that in fact, my non-judgment is a non-judgment after many, many judgments. This is related to his experience. Because he was the editor-in-chief, he had seen all kinds of criticisms of him for decades, so he thought, let me tell a story. His storytelling is about the concept of French naturalism. In fact, I have the same experience. When I read Maupassant’s “Friends”, I was disappointed that Junyou was not punished when I read it when I was a child. I thought that this scoundrel seemed to be doing well in the end . Later I learned that Maupassant wrote in this way. This is naturalism , but he actually has another one that he himself may not be aware of. When you talk about opinions, it is scattered points. It is one story after another. It is not observed from a single line as the whole “Flowers”. You can’t find a protagonist who is closest to him, A Bao Husheng. A Bao Husheng is somewhat similar to him. There is no one. It is a system of judging things . So, in reverse, in the eyes of us critics, it is a kind of “Along the River During the Qingming Festival”.
” Along the River During the Qingming Festival” Zhang Zeduan of the Northern Song Dynasty This is exactly the development trend of Chinese novels in the past 20 years . There is a work that is very similar to his novel, “One Sentence is Worth Ten Thousand Sentences”. Liu Zhenyun’s novel is also like this. You don’t know what story he is telling. He tells a lot of trivial stories. In the end, you can only say that this is how the farmers in Henan live. His novels are also like this. You are men and women in two eras. Just like this. And, but Teacher Ma said no, I said along this line, no matter whether to criticize or not , what kind of language to use, then back to what I said just now, scumbags must be classified from the beginning. In my opinion, scumbags are the same as scumbag women . Now, in addition to scolding scumbags, we also scold scumbags. Right, there are also leftover women and mistresses. I think these are not humanitarian names, right? The key point is the language. This is such a crude language. For ugly people, he just uses the two words “scumbag woman” or “scumbag man” to erase the relationship behind it , or several relationships . Such complex feelings , as if he beat you to death with a stick , “killing” the scumbag , erasing and eliminating the culture, killing the scumbag, killing the scumbag woman, so I think criticism is also good It doesn’t matter if you don’t criticize or what kind of doctrine you are. In the end, you return to literature itself , which is words and language. Telling stories reminds me of the American writer Susan Sontag (1933-2004). The American writer asked why we should read novels. She said that reading novels makes us understand that there are really people in the world who are different from us and live in a different way from us . They are a kind of so-called stories , which are not just stories. They are their lives, their joys and sorrows , and they are different from us. Let us read novels to understand that it is not just me who liberates me, so the touching thing about novels lies here. What did you want to say just now? I forgot it all of a sudden . You read it, right? I forgot it all of a sudden. I just want to talk about this matter. I think why I feel a sense of empathy with Lao Jin . His way of doing things is consistent with the conversation I have been thinking about for many years. You know, I have discovered that his characteristic of telling stories is that he can hardly finish a story. You know , it’s like his novels. He forks here. I want to tell you about this grandma. This was originally about this grandpa. Then this grandma’s cousin, if you look closely at his novels, many structures are like this. I think of the “Flowers of Shanghai” we talked about. “Flowers of Shanghai” written by Han Bangqing actually made me feel that it broke some of our middle school students’ concepts about composition. For example, our middle school students’ compositions are all about having a clear theme or what the central idea is. This is extremely difficult for me . I wonder why there must be a central idea . Why must it be for the exam ? Yes, if you don’t have a central idea in the exam , how can I give you a grade ? But in fact, sometimes it describes the original state of life . And I really have some flattering words for this kind of writing, maybe it ‘s too exaggerated. For example, Han Bangqing’s novel is a bit like “Water Margin”. You see, traditional Chinese historical novels start with one person writing about it. By the second chapter, you think he is the protagonist, but he is gone. Dozens of times, even at the end, this person doesn’t appear. Then he gets to know him again. In the third time, he gets to know him again. Where do you think the center is? But it is a process of time. It is like the truth of life. My compliments remind me of this. The son is on a river bank and says, “The past is like this flowing water.” This way of writing is like flowing water . So when they say ” a running account” it is derogatory, but actually I really like chatting like this, because it keeps going off topic and keeps going on like this. Later , based on my interest in the brain in recent years, I found that it is the way brain neurons connect . Yes , this way of writing is more in line with the basic state of the brain. You can study brain science. Our way of writing or people’s daily way of chatting completely follows the way brain neurons connect , because your brain neurons are countless stored memories, right? You don’t know which one will trigger this memory when these two are connected, and then that other two will trigger that memory when they are connected . Sometimes you even have to pull it back. Why do we say that some people have rigid thinking? For example, brushing your teeth in the morning is a training process , that is, there are too many connections between neurons. They are chemical (neurotransmitter) connections . After too many connections, they become solidified. So you think you can’t do it if you don’t brush your teeth in the morning. But in fact, artistic creation What does creation advocate? Try more new neuronal connections to let children have different associations. Actually, it is a bit like that. So I said that literature is not only kind , but literature can develop new ways of connecting neurons in our brain . Today you said this is particularly good. Why do we look at the novel called “Remembrance of Things Past” which is Proust’s novel. Although it is not written in the Chinese style , it is because the writer is in poor health and he lies in bed. He writes while lying in bed and cannot get the text out. After he finishes writing a manuscript and wants to publish it, the publisher is afraid to show him the proofs because once he shows him the proofs, he will revise the manuscript into a mess. It’s like he has to rearrange the typeface because he pops up again like you said neurons. Because in this novel, he completely thought of someone else through a Madeleine dessert , and then he thought of someone else and then ran to a place to have a party. For example, when a few of us were talking, we heard someone talking about some gossip about men and women from behind. A few words came over and he turned around and saw that there was no one there. He said , This whole life, I remember the play “Fang Hua”. When they were making the play , they made a character list of the characters in the novel. The font size of the main characters was enlarged, and the font size of the secondary characters was reduced, and then they made it into a network. Then I talked about this once and made a presentation. I put this picture out, and the people in the audience were all shocked. They said, “Wow, what’s so surprising about this?” Our interpersonal relationships are like this. I met someone in junior high school. This person was enlarged, but I didn’t contact him later . Or this girlfriend met someone else and then someone else . People are just walking in a maze. The friends you make along this route in the maze are fragmented . The friends you make at each stage are fragmented. This is the only thing about us in “Round Table”. Are you guys still dating until now? If you changed to someone else , you would have broken up long ago, right? There were also many conflicts , right? This is a normal development, just like the root system . A tree encounters a stone on this side, it can’t go through, so it grows to the other side. This is A very reasonable thing is why there is no theme. This is what life is like . Yes, you said so, right? Jiahui, what was your theme for yesterday ? Yes , right? In fact, some people say that his novels are very interesting , just like some people who listened to our program said that it was quite fun to listen to it, but after that they asked what they said. That’s why they will listen to it again and again . Really, many of them said that they listened to many episodes of our program five or six times . So, I am not afraid of offending you . I also have this feeling. After watching this TV series, I don’t know if this writing style can be called a weakness. It is this TV series by Wong Kar-wai . After I watched it, I forgot the novel “Fang Hua” because the writing style of the novel “Fang Hua” does have a problem. Your memory is not clear. After reading your novel, I got a tone and a feeling, but after I finished watching Wong Kar-wai’s TV series “Fang Hua”, which has such a distinct character story , I found that I forgot who was talking to whom and what happened in his novel. So I started to think about his writing style or his way of chatting in reverse. What is its value? I think it is the pleasure of reading. When I was reading it , it was so enjoyable to hear him talking so ramblingly . But there are indeed so many complicated details that after reading it, if you say how clearly you remember it, it is not possible to remember it clearly. This will have such an effect. When I read his novel, because I am a professional literary critic , I inevitably have to sort out the details and summarize them into a certain theme. In my rough summary, he wrote two paragraphs. One paragraph is about a group of young people in the 1960s living in different districts. Their lives are trivial and romantic, right? There are trivialities. I don’t know if this Xiaomao is romantic. Being peeped at through the cracks is also very interesting. The other one is about the 1990s . When I read the 1990s, I was actually more interested in the first part (the 1960s). I wrote a comment saying that if he could include more content about class differentiation and social changes in the 1990s, I think his descriptions of the 1990s are a bit repetitive and too much. Every table is full of something or other. Anyway, there is nothing good about men and women. Of course, there is nothing good about both men and women . Some passages in “The Couple” are very wonderful. Let’s call it a fantasy . Four people staying in a hotel have to draw lots. You say this is very exciting, right? Then a few people were chatting in the courtyard . A man and a woman suddenly disappeared. After a while, they disappeared. There was still a pipa playing below. It was so quiet. This is why Wong Kar-wai chose the house in Lili Town and was originally planning to shoot this section. He chose this house. Let me add a word , but if it is to be improved in terms of meaning, because he wrote about the living conditions in Shanghai in the early 1960s, which can be seen from the ground map. The rich people who live in Nanchang Road and that good area, right ? A -Bao’s family is a reality. Then Xiaomao and Taotao live in a workers’ area. Why do some people live in the same Shanghai ? It’s not his parents’ fault, right ? A-Bao and his family are just because of this family. And the workers’ area lives like this. Why do I feel so deeply about this? Because my family also lives in Beijing Road near Maoming Road. I was a worker at the Shanghai No. 8 Steel Plant at that time. The Shanghai No. 8 Steel Plant is at Wuning Road Bridge. This section with the big self-ringing clock is about the workers I met in the factory and my family. The living environment in Shanghai is very strong. Wang Anyi wrote “Flowing” and “The Foundation”, both of which are about such stories, about a capitalist and a worker. After decades, she said that the big wall cannot be knocked down. Today, there are many left-wing theorists. I was surprised this time that they did not comment on your opinion. My book “Flowering” seems to be quite popular with both the left and the right. That ‘s why you don’t express your opinion (“no voice”) because she talks about the corruption in Shanghai in the 1990s, which echoes the ending of “The Song of Everlasting Regret”. At the end of “The Song of Everlasting Regret”, Shanghai’s economy is developed , but the society is degenerating. It is not a cheering TV series. It’s another matter. The TV series is a bit more joyful. I’m curious about where the most difficult part of Mr. Jin’s novel is . The most difficult part is the beginning . You have to accept this. I think there is still a serialized writing method , which is to write every day , which is equivalent to the daily live broadcast now. It is also a column, right? At that time , there was a website called Lane Net. Shanghai people all over the world told various stories in Shanghai dialect on it. Or at that time, there was a kind of network or something called the Internet. It doesn’t exist now. Then I It was all about things in Shanghai, and it was told in Shanghainese. This was quite fresh. I also picked a name and went online. Huaming, after that, it was called “Alone on the Attic”. When I went up, I saw an acquaintance also gossiping about famous people. I thought this was not quite appropriate. I said that the gossip about unknown people that I knew was interesting. So I started to write. Then, what difficulties did I encounter ? I started by writing casually , and then it became like I couldn’t control myself. When I couldn’t control myself, I stopped for two days because many people came up and asked, ” Uncle, are you someone’s pseudonym? All your pseudonyms are here. ” They suspected who I was. I said, “I just came up.” They were trying to find out who I was. You know, some people already like it. So I said, “I’ll play for another two or three days and then I’ll leave. ” Actually, later on, I felt that this was something. I said that one day I accidentally wrote three or four hundred words , which was “Fanghua”. Now the beginning is all dialogues, without line breaks, just like this, with commas, periods, commas, periods, and a paragraph of three or four hundred words. I happened to be free that day, and when I saw this writing style, I had never seen it before , and it was the most difficult time for me during this period. I was thinking that if you set up an outline and I start to talk, I can’t stop. This is the first and the second. What way should I write? I think I should write in this way. When I started writing, people would resist because I wrote about 1,500 to 3,000 words every day. That ‘s quite a lot . There were no line breaks. After that, someone asked me to please. One person said that it made my eyes drop. I asked if I could break it into lines. I ignored him because I realized that no one had written this way before. Then he gave me his own line breaks and pasted it up. It became a script. A Bao said, and he said I still ignored him. After I ignored him, I found that people would get used to it to a certain extent . That’s why Wen Tao said just now that it’s like entering a language environment that forces you to accept this tone as long as you like to read it. Then you will get into it. At this stage, you will repeat it back and forth. I have to get used to this way of writing, and then I will feel relaxed. Because I used to read some tabloids in the May Fourth Movement era, and there must be some veteran journalists in Hong Kong. There was an old gentleman who inherited this tradition. I forgot his name. He serialized three columns, three novels, and three newspapers a day. People at that time said that they really admired this old gentleman. This old gentleman would have a little lunch at noon and start smoking opium in the afternoon. He would lie on the opium couch and smoke opium. In fact, he was thinking. Then there were three younger brothers from the newspaper waiting outside. After he finished smoking a bag of cigarettes, the younger brother would immediately bring a piece of paper and quickly write a paragraph. I estimate it was about 700 to 800 words. This kind of serialization was not like the serialization now. After writing, it would be handed over to the younger brother, who would run out to typeset. Then the second younger brother would come and write the second novel. He had everything in his mind. If you just get into this track, I later realized that it would be very easy because you live in it all day long . He didn’t do anything else. This is called context. It’s like doing live broadcasts now. He is very anxious in the first few days every day . I want to come out tomorrow and say what I will say. Then after three or four days, I think I have been thinking about this thing all day long. Each section, for example, has 2,000 words. The section with a blank line in the middle is the ending of the year . So at the end, it is different from ordinary novels . The ending is different. Let me explain it next time. It’s like stopping deliberately or braking suddenly or doing this suddenly. Then the people below will be waiting and expecting it. So there is a section about Xiao Mao. The sister-in-law downstairs called Xiao Mao in. She said it was too hot in the summer and she wanted to take a shower. She said to Xiao Mao, “Please get me a soap.” She was already taking a shower. Then Xiao Mao didn’t look at her. She just looked at the window where it was raining. She said, “Xiao Mao, turn your head around and get me a soap . ” I stopped at this point. The people below were so anxious that they said, “Oh, I’ll just talk about the 1990s . ” The novel is the same, and the Internet is the same. It talks about this for three sections , and then starts talking about the 1990s again. When it was compiled into a novel, the editor-in-chief came to this section and said, “Just continue it and take the soap. ” It ‘s quite interesting. The most difficult thing is to decide on a certain language. You see, Ka Fai originally wrote his novel in Cantonese. I also suggested to him that it’s because Cantonese and Shanghainese are different. You can see that Guangdong newspapers don’t care about other people. They still use some Guangdong dialect words . But I said that I wanted to attract more people, so I wanted to remove these dialect words , but Cantonese people are used to it. When I went to Guangzhou to read the newspaper , I couldn’t understand some of the newspapers. This is because I am an editor. As an editor, I would see some manuscripts written in other local dialects. My judgment is that if the readers can’t understand Mandarin, I will ask them to revise it , or if they can’t revise it , I will help them revise it. At that time, Teacher Jin gave me a good reminder , so I revised it later. Later, I found that even if I don’t speak Cantonese , my sense of language is that of Cantonese . So when readers read it, it is obviously standard Chinese. My descriptions and even some of the dialogues are in standard Chinese , but after reading it, they still feel that it is a Cantonese novel , right? Because your mother tongue is this, right? So the problem of language system and sense of language is equivalent to us southerners. We are not people of the northern language system, this dialect system . We all receive second language education, that is, when we write, we immediately use the second language in our brains. So when I write this, because I see that everyone is writing in Shanghainese, I start writing in Shanghainese. And I use the editing method to be careful not to use these The only happy thing I found after I learned the difficult words was that I could write dialogues very fluently because I used my mother tongue. I used to write novels in Mandarin . When I wrote dialogues, I would finish writing them today and look at them tomorrow. I felt like there was always something that needed to be revised in the way the two people were talking. But when you write in your mother tongue, you don’t have to worry at all , and it will be quite lively, as if you are quite happy. And, Mr. Xu, Shanghainese people don’t say “说”. When they speak, they say “恩讲” ( non jiang) or “我说” (wo jiang) . Why do you want to change it to “说”? You rarely “说”. In fact, what I had in mind was that this novel could be a complete storytelling book . What does a storytelling book mean? It’s about a storyteller. He can do it without changing a single word. If he can memorize it, he can act as a storyteller . So what is “说”? In fact, Shanghainese people don’t say “说”. Here I used my father’s Shanghainese dialect with a Suzhou accent . You see, “伊说 (he/she 说)” is “说”, just like the opening of a tanci. The storyteller in the Suzhou tanci “说” “Say” is actually a written language , while “talk” is actually a dialect . For example, when I was telling Teacher Zidong that Wentao was talking about something, I would use “talk”. But if it is written literally that he was talking, I would use the “say” of a storyteller. There is another rule for “say”. You don’t need to use exclamation marks and question marks. My father has a book called “Tang People’s Selection of Tang Poems” at home . It is a 1949 edition. It still uses the ancient arrangement . For example, Tang poems do not have commas or periods. They are circles, circles, and periods. These are Chinese punctuation marks . Why are Chinese ancient books called “punctuation marks”? Chinese printings do not have punctuation marks. You can circle or use period marks while reading. So I wanted to create a characteristic of Chinese, so I had to use punctuation marks , but use the simplest Western punctuation marks , which are commas and periods. So after I wrote this book, there was a very authoritative editor-in-chief of “Yiwenjuezi” in Shanghai, Mr. Hao Mingjian.
Hao Mingjian (1944-2020) Linguist When Mr. Hao Mingjian met me, he said to me with a stern face. He said Why don’t you use exclamation marks or question marks in your novel ? Why do you use traditional Chinese characters in your novel? I was shocked and then he laughed. He said that novels are fine because he finds fault with others every day , but when it comes to novels, you can’t do anything about it . I thought to myself that I want to commemorate our traditional Chinese characters , so whenever the book mentions old books or poems, I will ask the editor to type them in traditional Chinese characters so that it will look good. That’s why I said that traditional Chinese characters have a biggest flaw. I
Chu Anmin Founder and Editor-in-Chief of “Ink Literary Life” told Chu Anmin , the publisher of Taiwan’s “Ink”, that I now discover the shortcomings of traditional Chinese characters. He told me what shortcomings they were. I said that after my novel is typed in traditional Chinese characters , the difference between (simplified and traditional) will disappear, and they will all be the same. It’s all traditional Chinese characters without this. There is no intertextual comparison because the main body is all simplified Chinese characters and then suddenly traditional Chinese characters appear. But when it is arranged in traditional Chinese, there is no intertextual comparison at all . So I have an obsession with this great literature. I always feel that a really great novel is not only about writing a good story , but also about creating a language. And the language experiment is successful. Then, people who are not in the literature field may not understand how important this is. Yes, but for example, let me use my field as an example. What does it mean to create a language and its importance? For example, a hundred years ago, not a hundred or several dozen years ago, my earliest host had a language at the beginning. What was it called? Dear audience friends , hello. Today, we are all like this . We are all like this. Well, you know, the first host who said that everyone is here today, let’s talk about it. He is amazing. It means that a new language has been opened up, right? So I said that this is a good comparison. And I think there is a deep sentiment of literati in this language. For example, some people have noticed that Mr. Jin spoke Shanghainese in “Fanghua”. I learned from him that Shanghainese also has different accents. One of them is that the place where we are is closely related to Suzhou , that is, Wumen, right? It is Shanghainese with Suzhou flavor . Some people said that they noticed the language in his “Fanghua”. Some people are very sensitive to language and noticed that when he wrote about this place, it seemed that he said something like this. I slowed down. Yes, I hit you, didn’t I? Yes, because this may have something to do with my father. My father speaks a Suzhou dialect that is very close to Suzhou dialect, that is, the Suzhou accent. Shanghainese has various accents, and my father’s is the Suzhou accent. So why do I say that the Suzhou accent is particularly elegant ? It’s because Suzhou has the most elegant drama, which is Kunqu Opera . Kunqu Opera is from Suzhou. It is more elegant than Peking Opera, more formal and elegant, and very elegant in words. So- called Southern Kunqu and Northern Kunqu . With such a cultural background, coupled with Suzhou’s long history , it has been influencing the Yangtze River Delta, at least this area. And in the end , because half of Suzhou City was burned down by the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom , and because of other concessions in Shanghai , a large number of outstanding people all ran to Shanghai. In the era of “Flowers of Shanghai”, any girl who came to Shanghai had to learn Suzhou dialect . Only after learning Suzhou dialect can you meet guests , you must sing it . To meet guests, you must sing Pingtan and everything else. You must know music , chess, calligraphy and painting, which are symbols of culture. Because the people she receives are all literati , not ordinary people and scholars. And these literati and scholars have arranged marriages and have their own wives. Some of them are even illiterate. So they can only communicate with each other through this language. So “Flowers of Shanghai” was completely translated by Eileen Chang later. It is completely Suzhou dialect. It is not Shanghai dialect. But why is the representative of Wu dialect now Shanghai dialect? Originally it was Suzhou dialect . It is because after the establishment of the powerful city of Shanghai , Suzhou lacked this part and declined. If you read “Flowers of Shanghai”, do you read the original version or the Mandarin version translated by Eileen Chang? I have also read it. The narration uses standard language, that is, the dialogues are all in Suzhou dialect . In Suzhou dialect, “倷倷 倷” means helpless. Adding a single person radical means that many of the characters remain intact. When he wrote this, someone advised him that it was like this back then. He said that if he wrote this in Su Dialect, it would definitely not work in printing and he would definitely not sell many copies. But the author insisted that he would use this language. As expected, not many copies of this book were printed when he was alive. Later, Hu Shi discovered that this book was valuable. At that time, there was also a book called “Dream of Shanghai Prosperity” and “Flowers of Shanghai”. “Dream of Shanghai Prosperity” was written entirely in written language, not in dialect. This book sold the best at the time, but the author of “Dream of Shanghai” The author of “Hua Lie Zhuan” is Han Bangqing. Han Bangqing died very early. He was a stubborn person. His magazine was called “Haishang Qishu” , which was the first novel journal in Chinese history in 1893. This was the most important in the history of literature. Most of the magazines he published were his own novels. So from this, I realized that language is home. So in this regard, Wong Kar-wai’s drama has expanded this achievement. This is the most obvious . The biggest success of this TV series, in my opinion, is a major breakthrough in the use of dialects in writing, because once upon a time, Shanghainese was not accepted in Shanghai . On the one hand , the government does not encourage many programs to use Shanghainese, and it restricts them. On the other hand, Shanghainese itself restricts the performance of Shanghainese. The program is called comedy , and comedy is lower than crosstalk. Yao Mushuang, Zhou Bochun and Hou Baolin are lower than them. In crosstalk, people think that a joke is very presentable, but comedy is that although the common people like it, right? So when you speak Shanghainese in the public domain of Shanghai , it becomes a very vulgar flavor . This is a big breakthrough , and it affects the dialects in various parts of the country . There are many things about it now. For example, Guangdong has always had Guangzhou, and there has been a lot of debate on radio stations. There is a heated debate about whether we should use Cantonese or not, or whether we can use Cantonese instead of Mandarin. Now if you go to Guangzhou, you can speak Cantonese with confidence because of “Fang Hua”. They said, “Look, it’s broadcast on CCTV , and it’s very successful. Many people, even people from the north, ask me, “Why do you watch the Shanghainese version ? I watch the Shanghainese version, too .” Of course, I have to. In the beginning , the Shanghai Film Translation Studio did all dubbing. Later, I think it’s really good now , that is, we don’t need dubbing . Yes, we should listen to the original sound even if we don’t understand it. Just like when I was talking about Suzhou Pingtan, when we were filming “Qiang Qiang Xing Tian Xia” last time, I spent half an episode on Suzhou Pingtan. I told them that I was listening to that flavor. It’s not about understanding what they sing. Yes , it’s a way of life. You know, I sit there and listen to Suzhou Pingtan. It’s a kind of massage. It ‘s a bit decadent , making you feel crooked. It makes you feel that life is as plain as water, without any worries .